Having eaten at the homes of a number of "Yekkes" on shabbos, my wife and I have always admired the German custom to wash before the Kiddush, to allow for Kiddush to flow straight into the Hamotzi and the eating of bread. "Typical yekkes, find a way to be efficient in these meals by cutting corners." It's true. How many people finally figure out where everyone is going to sit, only to have everyone get up again to wash for the bread? A little bit of frustration is easily removed through there being only one "general seating."
I hadn't looked up the law in a while, so I opened up the Shulchan Arukh to find this [I left the notes that link to the comments I record below in bold, underlined]:
שולחן ערוך אורח חיים הלכות שבת סימן רעא
סעיף יב
(נח) אחר שקידש על כוס, נוטל ידיו ומברך ענט"י ואם נטל ידיו קודם קידוש גלי דעתיה דריפתא חביבא ליה, לא יקדש על היין אלא על הפת.הגה: (סא) כז וי"א דלכתחלה יש ליטול ידיו קודם הקידוש ולקדש על היין (הרא"ש ומרדכי פרק ע"פ (ורשב"א) והגה"מ פכ"ט, והטור). וכן המנהג פשוט במדינות אלו (סב) ואין לשנות רק בליל פסח, כמו שיתבאר סי' תע"ג.The Mechaber (Rabbi Yosef Karo) writes: (58) After one has said the Kiddush over [the wine], one washes the hands and recites the blessing over the washing of the hands. If he washes his hands before the Kiddush, he is giving a clear indication that he prefers bread over wine, and he should make the Kiddush over the bread instead of over the wine
Rama: (61) 27 There are those that say that in the first place (l'khatchila) one should wash the hands before Kiddush, then make the Kiddush on the wine [presumably followed by the blessing on the bread]. And this is the obvious custom in these lands, (62) and one should not change except on the eve of Passover [at the seder, when we say the Kiddush first and wash for the matzah considerably later].
מגן אברהם סימן רעא ס"ק כז
כז וי"א דלכתחל' וכו' – דס"ל דאין הקידוש מקרי הפסק כיון דצורך סעודה היא ולכ"ע אסור למזוג הכוס בחמין כמ"ש סי' קס"ו ולמ"ד שם דאסור להפסי' אפי' לשפוך מהקנקן לכוס אסור אחר נטילה:Magen Avraham 27 According to the Rama, the Kiddush is not considered an interruption (in one's concentration connecting the washing of hands to eating bread) because it is all part of the meal. The wine should be poured before people wash.
משנה ברורה סימן רעא ס"ק נח
(נח) אחר שקידש וכו' - ולא קודם [נח] כדי שלא יפסיק בהקידוש בין נט"י להמוציא [נט] אבל בני ביתו שאינם מקדשין בעצמן אלא יוצאין בשמיעתן מבעה"ב יוכלו ליטול ידיהם קודם:Mishneh Brurah 58 Should wash after Kiddush – and not before [Kiddush] in order for the Kiddush not to be an interruption between the washing and the hamotzi blessing. But the members of his household, who do not recite Kiddush by themselves and fulfill their obligation through his recitation, they can wash their hands before the Kiddush.
(סא) וי"א דלכתחלה וכו' - דס"ל דאין הקידוש מקרי הפסק כיון שהוא צורך סעודה ולכך יקדש על היין וישתה הכוס ואח"כ יברך המוציא ויבצע הפת וכיון דאינו הפסק ס"ל לרמ"א דטוב לנהוג כן לכתחלה משום דכשאין לו יין ומקדש על הפת בע"כ צריך ליטול ידיו קודם הקידוש [סא] וע"כ טוב לנהוג כן תמיד באופן אחד. ולמזוג את הכוס בחמין אחר הנטילה קודם המוציא ודאי אין לעשות כן לכו"ע כיון דצריך לדקדק יפה שימזוג כדרכו שלא יחסר ושלא יותיר הוי היסח הדעת:Mishneh Brurah 61 There are those that say that in the first place (l'khatchila) one should wash the hands before Kiddush – because in their opinion, Kiddush is not considered an "interruption" because it is part of the meal. Therefore [one will have washed, then] make Kiddush over the wine, then say the blessing on the bread, and break the bread. And since this is not considered an interruption, it is the opinion of the Rama that this a good practice l'khatchila. For when he does not have wine and he is saying Kiddush on bread, he also has to wash before saying the Kiddush. And it is therefore good to be consistent in one's practice [– ie to always wash before saying the Kiddush]. But pouring hot drinks before Hamotzi should not be done, because checking if you've done it properly and poured the right amount is definitely an interruption.
(סב) ואין לשנות - [סב] וכמה אחרונים כתבו דטפי עדיף לכתחלה לקדש על היין קודם נט"י וכדעת המחבר דבזה יוצא מדינא לכל הדעות ובכמה מקומות נהגו כדבריהם [סג] מיהו אם כבר נטל ידיו קודם קידוש בזה יש לעשות כהרמ"א דאעפ"כ יקדש על יין:Mishneh Brurah 62 One should not change from this custom [of washing before the Kiddush] – Many Acharonim have written that it is preferred to say Kiddush on the wine before the washing of the hands, following the M'chaber's opinion, because through this one fulfills one's obligation according to all opinions. In some places they followed such an approach. However, if one washed the hands before Kiddush, one should certainly follow the Rama and make the Kiddush over wine [followed by the blessing on the bread].
Summary
Following the snippets as provided, there are 2 ways to go about having the recitation of Kiddush flow straight into Hamotzi.
1. Everyone except the person reciting Kiddush and Hamotzi washes and sits down. Then, after he says Kiddush, he quickly washes – waiting for one person is not considered a 'hefsek'/interruption.
2. Everyone washes first (including the one saying the blessings), and the Kiddush is not considered a hefsek because it is part of the meal.
I like the argument that since Kiddush over bread would also require a washing before Kiddush (in the uncommon circumstance that a person has no wine or grape juice, this is standard procedure), one ought to be consistent and always wash first.
At the same time, there is certainly much to say for the argument that "Kiddush gets its own time" and that "washing and Hamotzi get their own time." In other words, say the Kiddush, then wash – as is the practice in most homes that I have visited – followed by Hamotzi.
Can we change our minhag? Without insulting our parents? I think the answer is YES, as long as we become consistent about it.
The conclusion of an article that can be found here (www.vbm-torah.org/archive/halak64/27kiddush3.doc) reads:
ReplyDeleteThe Procedure for Kiddush
The Gemara in Masekhet Pesachim (106b) discusses the possibility of washing one's hands before kiddush and initially forbids to wash one's hands for bread before reciting kiddush. In conclusion, however, the Gemara allows doing so. The reasoning behind the initial ruling likely involves the problem of hefsek, meaning, the recitation of kiddush disrupts the continuity required in between washing and the berakha of ha-motzi. Tosefot suggest an additional reason, that one who washes his hands before kiddush gives the appearance of washing specifically for kiddush, rather than for the bread, and one may not wash one's hands for dry fruits (as he would then appear arrogant). The Ba'al Ha-maor writes that one perhaps appears as denigrating the kiddush by washing his hands beforehand.
In any event, the Gemara concludes, as we mentioned, that one may wash his hands before kiddush. The Rishonim debate the meaning of this conclusion. The Rosh explains that one should preferably recite kiddush and then wash his hands, but it is nevertheless permissible to wash one's hands before kiddush. The Rambam, by contrast, maintains that in truth, one may not wash his hands before kiddush. In his view, the Gemara permits washing hands before kiddush only if one will recite kiddush over bread. A much different approach is taken by the Mordekhai, who holds that one should preferably wash his hands before kiddush.
The Shulchan Arukh (271:12) follows the position of the Rambam, that one must wash his hands after, and not before, kiddush. The Rama, however, argues, and rules in accordance with the Mordekhai's view, that one in fact should wash his hands before kiddush. The Mishna Berura (271:82) observes that several Acharonim accepted the Mechaber's ruling, and he implies that common practice was to wash hands after kiddush. In any event, if a person did wash his hands before kiddush, he should recite kiddush and then "ha-motzi."
If a person comes as a guest to a family with the custom of washing hands before kiddush, he is allowed to change his practice and wash with them, as this is, after all, the position of the Rama. Furthermore, the Magen Avraham claims that the problem with washing before kiddush involves only the person reciting kiddush, as his recitation constitutes an interruption in between washing and ha-motzi. As far as the others are concerned, washing before kiddush poses no problem whatsoever.
In conclusion, we should note that if someone recited kiddush and spoke in between the recitation and drinking, he has nevertheless fulfilled his obligation be-di'avad, provided that the interruption was brief. A lengthy interruption, however, undermines the kiddush and the person must recite it again.